[00:00:00] Nina: Welcome to Dear Nina, conversations about friendship. I’m your host, Nina Baden. I’m a writer, a writing group leader at Modern while in Minneapolis, and a friendship enthusiast. Today’s episode is about making new very close friends later in life. By later, I mean anytime in adult life. Actually, I saw a story on the today.

Pretty recently about two women who traveled around the world together. They promised each other, they would do this for their 80th birthdays, and they did it. What piqued my interest from that story was not just that it was framed as two best friends, making this promise and actually following through, although that is extremely interesting.

But the line in the story that says they have been friends for 20 years, you have to read down a little bit to see that line. But the whole thing’s about they’re 80 and they took this world trip. They were gone for months. I thought it was fascinating that they didn’t meet until they were 60. And if you read a headline like that, best Friends take a trip when they’re 80.

You’re thinking they’re childhood friends. 20 years. That’s it. I mean, 20 years is a long time, but it’s not a lifetime. So it is never too late to make new close friends, but we need to be in the right frame of mind and the right time of life to let those friendships really soar.

Today’s guest is going to talk about this new frame of mind and time of life I have Megan Tty, a visionary entrepreneur, who 20 some years ago after dressing room disaster got the inspiration to reimagine the women’s shopping experience. And today she’s the co-founder, co c e o, and Chief Brand Officer of Ever Eve, a contemporary fashion retailer with over 1 million customers, 100 plus stores, and 30 plus.

A booming e-commerce business and a fast growing subscription box. Service Transcend. Megan also advises other entrepreneurs, and she recently joined a team that welcomes refugees to Minnesota through the organization, arrive Ministries. She’s just a super cool person. I’m so excited she’s here. Welcome Megan.

[00:01:56] Megan: I’m so excited to spend time with you, Nina. This is a topic I am learning so much about right now, so I’m thrilled to have the opportunity to talk to you about this today.

[00:02:06] Nina: I wanna tell listeners how this particular episode came to be so organically. It was just, you know, I get a lot of pitches, I also pitch people. It’s like kind of goes back and forth, but this one happened in person. We share a very close friend, Julie Burton, who was the founder and c o of Modern. Well, and you and I were both at an event celebrating modern Well’s five year anniversary, and we were both kind of just like standing around a bit.

And I think of you as a celebrity. I mean, I have. In your stores for a long time. and I shop at your very first store in Edina, Minnesota. And you were there just working the floor. We met, briefly cuz I think you had moved from Chicago and I’m from Highland Park and I’d also just moved from there.

Maybe within that, those couple of years. And so we made that quick connection. I just seen your business grow well, so anyway, I don’t really know, you know you, but we shared Julie and with my nervous awkward energy I said to you. Really kind of, uh, and Yiddish, we say It’s like a TK thing to say. I just looked at you and I said, I think it’s so cool that you and Julie become so close, , at this time of life.

And I love how you’re traveling together and it’s such a special bond. You and I were talking about how that might not have been possible earlier. And I said, hold on, could we just have this conversation on the podcast? And you very graciously said you would. And here we are.

[00:03:20] Megan: Let’s have the conversation. It’s a fun one.

[00:03:22] Nina: Tell us a little bit, about the growth of the business, and what that required of you,

[00:03:29] Megan: a lot of sacrifice. My husband and I partnered together to start every 18 years ago, and we did not have any, Retail experience. I was a woman who experienced a terrible experience in a dressing room, and after crying for, about 20 minutes not receiving what I was looking for that day, I, , left the dressing room and went home empty-handed and reimagined what that experience could have been like.

And that is what the every brand is today. after talking to my husband, This dream that I reimagined, , we talked about it for about. Seven years after about seven years of dreaming, I’m not gonna go into the details.

We decided, you know, let’s, let’s do this. And we signed a lease and before you know it, I found myself in that store where I met you.

I am pretty committed to this huge, commitment we made to, to grow a retail brand. because we had definitely from that first moment thought what I created could be something a lot of women would connect with, and we thought that we would build a national brand.

It was kind of crazy at the time, but that was really what was in our head

[00:04:42] Nina: So that was the goal from the

[00:04:44] Megan: always the goal. Isn’t that crazy? but it was, in terms of what it took to make that happen, I still get emotional thinking about it because there was a lot of sacrifice that was. Made to launch this business and to, ensure that it was successful.

there were things that I wasn’t willing to sacrifice. And that was my family. That was my faith, that was my relationship with my husband. But there was a lot that I had to sacrifice. and one of those things was a social life,

[00:05:20] Nina: I, so, yes, I appreciate

your honesty that’s why I wanted to have this conversation. Of course you’re not gonna sacrifice your family, although I guess I shouldn’t say that. That does happen. There are only so many hours in the day. But I know you are a really dedicated mom and wife and I love that you mentioned your faith too.

That’s also important to me and we have different faiths, but it’s time consuming if you’re if

[00:05:39] Megan: time consuming, right.

[00:05:41] Nina: Yes. That’s another thing on the list.

[00:05:43] Megan: Yeah, that was hard because, I had really great solid friendships. I was someone that had a really big social life pre everev, my kids were young when I started. They were four and seven. I just had a lot of responsibility building this brand , and I’m an introvert, so when I got home at the end of the day, I was exhausted and, , did not have a lot of energy and time to put into, , building.

A really strong social life and oftentimes felt really guilty about that. Felt like something was wrong. but also realized during that period that I was so lucky to be able to go to work every day with amazing women. Whether they were employees or customers like yourself. I was not lacking. really strong, deep female friendships and relationships.

It was just, I had to reconcile the fact that on a Friday night, I was not out with girlfriends. I wasn’t going to bunko, I wasn’t going on girls trips. I didn’t do those things

[00:06:53] Nina: as couples, were you able to socialize or even

that you kind of fall off

[00:06:56] Megan: I was in the store running the store on Saturdays. Mike was home with the kids. You know, it was a lot of tag teaming. So, no, I would say we did not even have a lot of time to invest in relationships with other couples, which, , definitely,

hurts. Sometimes it, sometimes it can feel lonely or it can, I always like to say there’s, there’s scars when you build something and one of my scars was just, I didn’t have a lot of social life outside of every, which gratefully again, was pretty awesome because the women I worked with and the customers, let’s just say I went home really relationally full.

it was something that was lacking my

[00:07:39] Nina: It’s just a, it’s a reminder we cannot have everything at

[00:07:41] Megan: We cannot have everything at once, and I was willing to put that on the back burner. , I made the choice to do that. And, I have no regrets

Other than sometimes when your kids are growing up, now you’ve gotta really figure that piece out again now that the kids are gone and the business is advance.

[00:07:58] Nina: What you’re saying is so interesting to me. You were not alone, so you weren’t lonely in that sense at all. You had colleagues and customers and even just going to church every week, I mean like you’re around

people.

[00:08:10] Megan: Yep.

[00:08:11] Nina: , was it seeing, other people go on girls trips? Not that you wished it was different, but like, Was it?

[00:08:17] Megan: It was the rise of Instagram, Because I remember feeling anxious and looking at Instagram and seeing people being so social and then being like, that’s not what my life looks like on a Friday night. I’m home. With my kid, you know? And so I dealt with a little period of time where I felt a little anxious that I should be doing more socially, but I’m a deep thinker, a reflective person.

I, I just, I kind of, after feeling an icky feeling about that, I just came to realize that for me, friendships and relationships look different than maybe what they might look. To other people.

[00:08:59] Nina: Yeah, , and I can understand. That feeling of seeing other people doing something like a trip for example, which, you know, doesn’t just happen overnight. , that’s planning and that’s years of being friends. And then eventually you coordinate calendars and, whether you’re running a big business or not, it’s so hard to schedule things and there’s just so much that goes into it.

And that’s why I love the message of this episode that I want people to go away with, which is, it’s not too late. You don’t have to have planted those seeds when you were 20 to do it

[00:09:25] Megan: It’s not right. Finding a new really good friend and a new couple friend for my husband and I was, was so unexpected. , so the kids grew up the business evolv. I knew strategically that I would need to build a social life when my kids left the house.

And I had built a company that actually I had built an executive team that needed me to get out of their way a little bit. , so it felt like. That happened along the same time. My kids left the nest, . I had built an executive team that was professional and you know, executives from Target and Best Buy, like real executives that know what they’re doing, And I’m still in heavily involved every day in this company, you know? But I felt like I, for the first time had a little permission. To kind of leave the office and maybe meet someone for lunch or say yes to coffee or do , some of the networking or engaging, during those business hours that for, I don’t know how many years, what, probably 12, 13 years, I never would’ve thought of.

Those two things happened at the same time. And I knew that I needed to build a life outside of ever and have friendships beyond. This company. , so I started just making a plan and one of the first step of my plan was to really say yes to opportunities and just be curious and really just get myself around people that shared.

Some of the same interests or passions or, people I felt connected to. So Julie Burton was a woman that many years prior had dropped off. She’s a writer. She had written a book she somehow, we didn’t know each other, but somehow she got this book into my. many years before I actually met her.

And I do remember reading the book and looking at it on my desk and there was a note like, Hey, I wrote this book and thought of you, and I looked at the book, I read, , the back cover, but I was in a very busy time in my life, so I didn’t reach out to her. I just kind of put the book in my bookshelf and thought it was interesting.

, but I do remember, think. Whoever this is who wrote this book, she sounds amazing, and I know I would really like her. So , maybe five years later, when

I was in search of this sort of like, gosh, I gotta get myself around women. I just connect with, I remembered that. And I also knew in the community that she had modern Well, and I drive by modern well, and I see it and I I knew her story. I just was like, that’s a woman I wanna know. So I emailed her and I just was like, Hey, I mean, I’m, I’m an entrepreneur, so I’m not afraid to put myself out there, so I, I, I believe I emailed her and just said, Hey, it’s Megan, the founder of Ever Eve, and I’ve admired you from a distance.

I think you’re pretty cool. at that point I was really trying to get out of ever the office and just, I knew I needed to. See the life outside of ever Eve. , on Fridays was sort of my day to just be curious outside of ever eve land. And so I just said, can I come and get a tour of modern well, she was so kind and said yes, and I’m like, I just wanna see what you’ve built.

And I walked in that door and literally melted. When I met her, it was instant synergy. And we sat on the couch and I just felt so comfortable in modern well, and I just felt so comfortable around her. And before you know, it we’re like in a two hour conversation talking about the big things in life.

And just didn’t wanna leave. I think I was really good at sorting through and knowing and understanding the characteristics and the qualities and the values of the people that I wanna be around. And I took a shot at it and it worked. I think maybe the next time we said, let’s come over for a glass of wine.

We can have your husband meet my husband. And we did

that. And then, It can take a lot of work to find synergy between the four people, . So it was good, it was fun and completely un.

[00:13:47] Nina: It’s like your entrepreneurial spirit. Ended up being the thing that spilled over into this successful new friendship, because to reach out like that is really hard. Your kids don’t go to the same school. You’re in completely different businesses. You know, it’s easier if you’re like sitting on the bleachers, there’s a natural friendship that can happen just over time.

But this was much quicker because you were also more mature. you were older,

[00:14:09] Megan: yeah, more mature you know who you are, what you care about, what your values are, the kind of people that interest you. So to me it was very strategic and courageous. Right?

[00:14:20] Nina: Yeah, it was. Did that happen with else?

[00:14:24] Megan: , well then what’s great is you get yourself around, people they then introduce you to people in their world, , that’s really fun because that kind of opened the door. So yes, Steph Pierce is a friend of Julie’s who I was going through a really tough time in my leadership, and Julie being the connector she is. Really felt , I needed to meet Steph Pierce, who is a leadership coach, and now, .

She’s just a friend

, that was a fun connection and , I’ve realized that I like people that are deep. And fun and kind of dork. I always tell Steph a little dorky, can laugh at themselves and that’s a really good connection for me. Then Steph and her husband now we do dinners and that’s just really, really generous of Julie to share those friendships with me , I took away limits of they have to live close to me. That’s

interesting. Yes.

, I was like, well, what if you, don’t necessarily put boundaries on where they live, so I did reach out to A really dear old friend who I completely lost touch with, but always was like a soul sister to me.

And I just , I don’t know, maybe on Instagram, DMed her and said, this is crazy, but you should come to my lake house and visit my husband and I for the weekend. And it felt very vulnerable because we had not seen each other for a long time. And she said yes.

I remember picking up at the airport, it felt like you were going on a first date. It was super awkward, like, oh my gosh, are we gonna like each other? I put a little time period on it, comfort. Two nights and I picked her up late on Friday night and dropped her off early on Sunday.

So it was very strategic in terms of how much time and luckily she said yes and. Wow. The same thing happened. , really great connection, and so now she’s just a soul sister to me. Even though we’re far away, we make plans to meet up. So I tried that technique.

And that really worked. , I did it a couple times with people I, every summer. Said I’m gonna do it twice and just reach out to someone who doesn’t live in Minnesota that I wanna get to. And it’s super awkward because you’re kind of like, we don’t know each other, but will you come and hang out with me?

[00:16:54] Nina: This is so important for people to hear. I cannot express enough because I often advise people, I get letters, , that I use in my CK newsletter that I use on the podcast, and it’s people of all ages, you know, trying to make new friends. I mean, that’s just one piece of the friendship puzzle.

There’s also keeping friends, which is really a bigger topic than making friends, but making friends is the start I often tell people to , sign up for things, show up consistently. But what you’re suggesting I like a lot and I’m gonna use other times, and that’s ask invite really put yourself out there.

But I would like to hear your take on it takes a lot of vulnerability. I know that. What if the person. Makes it clear they don’t have time. I could imagine just , go with me on this for a second. Sometime in your thirties, somebody reaching out to you, someone coming in the store, finding you interesting at that time and being like, oh, I’d love to get to know Beg, and we live two blocks away from each other.

That’d be so cool. And you just do not have time. And you probably had to make that clear. It’s hard to make that clearer,

[00:17:51] Megan: it’s so

hard to make that clear, and I really respect, I have a lot of friends right now. Who are in a phase of life that I was in, , years ago that I’m not in anymore, which is they have families with kids at home, they’re building a career or they’re building their business, and I’m kind of out of that.

And so I’m like, Hey, let’s do things. And I get rejected all the time and , I’ve learned to not let it hurt my feelings at all. I just realize they’re in a phase of life. I’ve been there. I’ve been the one that has said no, I just honor it and respect it and still.

Participate, like cheer them on, but leave it in their hands. And I’m pretty confident that when , the relationship or the connection’s meant to be, they will come out of that hard part of life where they’re busy and we will reconnect. I know that will happen and I’m seeing that happen a little bit because my kids are, outta college now and a lot of my friends, our kids are going into college and I can see.

Kind of reappearing and I’m like, oh, this is going to be so fun here in a couple years when , you’re a full empty nester and , you’re not at the building stage of your career. , it gets very exciting.

[00:19:09] Nina: Such a good attitude. How did you. No nicely back in the day when you really didn’t have time and people were, I’m sure I just know without

knowing that people wanted to hang out

[00:19:19] Megan: I know I’ve hurt people’s feelings because I think at first I didn’t know how to do it.

[00:19:24] Nina: Mm-hmm.

[00:19:25] Megan: probably just wouldn’t respond,

[00:19:27] Nina: Yeah.

[00:19:28] Megan: know, like I

know I’ve, I know I’ve hurt people because maybe there was an invitation Or maybe I just was so overwhelmed with emails that I just had to , not respond.

So I didn’t have , anxiety issues, like self-protection mode. But I do know that , there probably were moments when I just didn’t respond, , I’m not proud of that. But at the end of the day, It’s probably what helped me stay healthy and strong and keep my family and my faith centered, , I remember really clearly articulating my values to people and letting people know.

My priority right now is my family, I wish I could say yes. , I’ve gotta stay focused on these top priorities because I think it’s gonna get real ugly real fast if I don’t, you know, I think I kind of communicated in that way, , to people. But I do know that I, I probably have, again, I would say it’s a scar that I have.

I probably have let people. Or hurt people’s feelings because I wasn’t able to do it all during that really challenging time in my life. And I think that’s just a scar that comes from building something, , so big.

[00:20:45] Nina: That was a great answer and an honest answer. We really can’t please everyone. I loved your expression. I wish I could say yes. , that’s a very kind thing to say and, and

[00:20:57] Megan: it was very true. , I used to say that a lot. I wish I could say yes, , but saying yes, will push me over the edge right now, and I have to stay. Focus on my top priorities. I wish it was different. . That’s sort of the language that I remember using during those really hard times.

[00:21:14] Nina: And it gave you, a good way of thinking of things. If you reached out to people later, more recently and then they just couldn’t do it right now, it’s like you kind of get it, sometimes timing is just

[00:21:23] Megan: sometimes timing is totally off and I feel that on the other end of that now, raising a family takes a lot of work. It’s a lot of time having

kids, you know.

[00:21:35] Nina: So many sports,

so many things.

[00:21:37] Megan: One thing I’m learning that I think you’ll find is interesting that as I was, entering kind of this next phase of my life of really building my life outside of ever. Strategically and what that looks for me, , in many areas, but one of them being my social life. I learned that it was hard for me to know the difference between real friends and deal friends.

Do you ever talk about that?

[00:22:02] Nina: Oh, that’s so good. No, I have not.

Please spend a

couple

[00:22:05] Megan: that was the phase of thinking people wanted to be my friend, but they really wanted something from.

[00:22:10] Nina: Yes.

[00:22:11] Megan: and it’s tricky because ever is such a big part of my life, but as I was beginning this journey of really rebuilding my social life a couple times I would be like, I think they want something from me.

So that, that was just interesting. So now, now I actually have conversations like we’re real friends, not deal friends. Right. Because in a deal, friendship, it’s like you can love the people. That’s the hard thing about the work I do is I work with people that even if I didn’t have ever, , I love these women I work with or I love my business partners.

It’s very confusing because you think sometimes, wait, we’re really friends, and then you realize, oh no, , there’s an exchange here. , so I’ve kind of had lots of conversations. And, and in my mind viewing this is a real friend and this is a deal friend. And even talking about that with some of them just to make sure we’re not trying to have a business exchange.

You’re not trying to get something from me and I’m not trying to get something from you. I mean it gets a little tricky cuz a lot of times the people I like to hang out with aren’t businesswomen.

[00:23:20] Nina: Right, of course.

[00:23:21] Megan: Yeah, like I was on a retreat once and I thought I was with some girlfriends and then the, they’re like, oh yeah, the whole thing is comped on business.

I’m like, oh wait, wait. I was thinking we were friends. You know, it, it can get a little tricky that way. So I’ve learned that language and it helps to get clarity and even have that conversation with some of my friends about, you know, there is no deal here.

, we’re not, I’m not working, I’m not trying to sell you my clothes and you’re not trying to sell me.

[00:23:49] Nina: And you know, the opposite really is true Julie and I, our friendship, we became friends cuz we were both writers and we both had four kids. Like we’re, we’re about 10 years apart, but we were writing about similar things and we were introduced to each other with the writing as the context and the friendship started that way.

We were Work colleagues kind of, but we, this is before modern. Well, and then we opened these writing classes together. We rented space at Hopkins Center for the Arts, and she started modern, well later. She’s an entrepreneur. I’m really not. But the friendship grew deeper than just writing friends. I do like having just writing friends too.

, I don’t mean just cuz just sounds bad. I love having a friendship with another podcast or

another writer where we can talk shop. I need to talk

shop with people.

, Megan before , I asked you a fashion question to end. Is there any last thing you wanted to say about making friends later in life?

[00:24:35] Megan: , it’s such an unexpected, fun gift of. Being middle-aged. for me, it’s just, I just encourage people to be courageous and put yourself out there and know that you’re not done making friends at 50, it’s so important to keep, putting yourself out there and making new friends.

I love this conversation. I think it’s. Good for humanity, Nina?

[00:25:06] Nina: I can’t wait to share it. Okay, so fashion question, first of all, did you notice that my shirt is from Evers?

[00:25:11] Megan: did. Thank

you. You’ve been such

a good supporter forever.

[00:25:15] Nina: I’m a good customer. I first all love, I love a sleeve. Actually love what you’re wearing too. I love a sleeve cuz you can wear a regular bra.

Do you want to monkey around with weird brass? , I think I asked you this at Modern Mall by gonna ask you publicly cuz I have friends that I’m asking on their behalf too. Can we still wear our skinny jeans please?

[00:25:32] Megan: Yes, and in fact we just did fall style out and we were like, Oh, the skinny jeans back.

[00:25:41] Nina: Yay.

[00:25:42] Megan: here’s the great thing about fashion right now, especially denim. I mean, denim is having a moment. Denim is hot

again.

[00:25:50] Nina: did it stop having a

moment?

[00:25:52] Megan: think it did during the pandemic.

. Denim is just getting bigger and more important, which is so fun for us , and utility pants and cargos, like all of that kind of look.

But here’s the thing about denim, , because it’s having a moment. You’re gonna see all sorts of styles. You’re gonna see wide leg and skinny and crazy jeans. I mean, you’re just gonna see it all. And so one of the silhouettes that you’re gonna see a straight leg and a a skinny gene

[00:26:26] Nina: It doesn’t have to be skinny. Skinny for me. I don’t mind to straight. I love an ag. is it

Mari

[00:26:32] Megan: Mari. Yep. That’s one of our best sellers.

[00:26:35] Nina: I’m so fashion challenged. You have no idea. If my sister-in-law, Toby is listening to this, she will laugh because she has to like constantly consult with me.

I cannot get myself dressed, but I do not like a wide gene. I don’t like a crop

gene.

[00:26:46] Megan: I, I think it’s less about wide leg or cropped and more about relaxed.

[00:26:51] Nina: I’ll try.

[00:26:53] Megan: You know what I

mean? But you do with that. I like it because I don’t like a lot of things tight. In the summer, I don’t. Tight things around my legs when I’m hot and I don’t love to wear shorts, so I like a more relaxed jean, especially in the summer.

But a lot of it is understanding the shift in proportion. So it’s wearing a more fitted tea with a more relaxed jean I would just challenge you to try, you absolutely keep your skinny jeans and know that I just saw all the boots are gonna be over.

Not all of ’em. But I did see there will be tall boots again, , in the fall. You know, we in Minnesota love our skinnies because we have snow and we can wear

boots over them, which is amazing.

[00:27:46] Nina: exactly.

[00:27:48] Megan: I think also I would challenge you to just go in and try a straight leg and maybe size up.

[00:27:55] Nina: Okay.

Interesting.

[00:27:56] Megan: I noticed that I’m wearing my jeans. A full size bigger , because I just want a more relaxed look. And then just get a cute little t-shirt that’s a little more fitted and then the proportions

are right, and then it’s kinda a fun look.

[00:28:13] Megan: I’m giving you, fashion homework.

[00:28:15] Nina: yes, I don’t like a tight shirt

[00:28:17] Megan: Well, not tight, but just a t-shirt, Do you wear tank tops?

[00:28:21] Nina: sometimes. Not often. I know. I really am telling you I need like

[00:28:25] Megan: We have a really cute top. You’ll like, , it’s by frame. It’s actually the same silhouette as the sweater you like I’m wearing.

[00:28:31] Nina: I do like that sweater. Yeah.

[00:28:33] Megan: I think it’s called the Lowrise. It’s just a frame t-shirt. It’s in white and green and Heather Gray. It’s in a bunch of colors, you it should do that.

And a relaxed jean. , remember the boyfriend Jean?

[00:28:47] Nina: Mm-hmm.

[00:28:47] Megan: that. I think you’ll like

[00:28:49] Nina: Okay, bye.

[00:28:50] Megan: Try that.

[00:28:51] Nina: Yeah, I came of age in the low rise sevens

[00:28:54] Megan: Oh yeah. We don’t, do

I remember being in my son’s preschool class and all the moms sat down on the ground and we could see everyone’s hanky.

[00:29:03] Nina: Everybody’s hanky pinkies. Yep. Sticking out.

[00:29:08] Megan: was in fashion. That was tough Moment.

[00:29:12] Nina: It really was. Well, I course could keep you

here forever, making you

gimme , fashion advice, but I will release you back to your actual job thank you for being here.

[00:29:22] Megan: Thank you so much for taking the time to inspire and remind everybody how important friendship is, especially middle-aged. So keep making new friends.

[00:29:34] Nina: Such a great message. Thanks everyone. Thanks for listening. , Come back next week when our friendships are going well. We are happier all around.

[00:29:42] Megan: Bye, Nina.

[00:29:43] Nina: Something new today. You know how when you listen to a podcast, the host always asks you to rate it, to review it on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen.

Apple seems to matter the most. I guess it makes a difference when someone goes to the search bar, if they put in friendship and they wanna hear things about friendship. If. A podcast has a lot of reviews and stars, then that is what gets shown.

So if you have enjoyed this episode or any other episode, I would so appreciate if you would take the time to do that. One other really helpful thing, , is to just share it with a friend. Send them a text, send them an email. Say, I’m enjoying this podcast about friendship. I think you would too.

Makes a huge difference. The third thing I’d say is share it on social media, because that helps me reach people I would never reach on my own. Okay. Actually there is a fourth thing. I am on CK at Dear Nina. Conversations about friendship where I have a free newsletter at least once a month and once a month. I have a paid version, which is where I take the anonymous questions I receive and give my full thought out answer.

Thank you for considering all of that. I appreciate your time and I hope I’ll see you again next week. Bye.