Nina: [00:00:00] Welcome to Dear Nina, conversations about friendship. I am your host, Nina Badzin. I am so glad to have you here. This is a fun topic because we talk a lot on this show about how important it is to spend time in person with friends to show up. We talk about friendship is an action. It’s not just an idea or something you hope falls in your lap. You have to make it happen. I really enjoyed the ideas that came up in this episode , these are ways to get together that is beyond just the obvious of go for a walk have coffee. It’s something different. . There’s the idea itself, you can steal the actual idea. And then there’s some of the deeper important ideas beyond it, like scheduling these things, maybe scheduling the next one while you are still there.

My guests are Ashley and Katie from Coffee and Crumbs a long running website about motherhood hospitality, there’s a lot about friendship on there too.

Katie and Ashley have put together a beautiful book called [00:01:00] You’re In Good Company. It’s a collection of essays and recipes and reflections.

Katie and Ashley each have a piece in there and there’s other writers. I love the way the two of them talk about friendship. They just have good ideas that you can plan for people you are already friends with or use it as an excuse to invite people you’re trying to get to know and it might become a regular thing.

This is a replicate, copy this idea and run with it episode. Hello, Ashley and Katie. Welcome to Dear Nina. Conversations about friendship.

Ashlee: Hello, Nina. Thanks so much for having us on the show today.

Katie: Yeah. Hi Nina. It’s good to be here.

Nina: I really feel like I’ve had a nice amount of visitors of other people who are as into friendship as I am. There’s a large handful of us out there who’ve been writing about, talking about friendship for a long time. Tell me more about Coffee and Crumbs and how many years you two have been working on this together.

Ashlee: Well, Katie’s been part of Coffee and Crumb since the very beginning. I launched this space in 2014. So we’re going on 12 [00:02:00] years of writing about motherhood in our space, and it’s been truly just a real joy and honor and privilege to work with this team of writers. It’s been Just such a transformational experience for me in my life to not just walk alongside these other women in the ups and downs of motherhood, but also to attempt to make sense of it through the art of storytelling.

And yeah, we’re just so excited to be here today to talk more about friendship, which has been, such a core component, of the work that we do.

Nina: It is almost impossible to talk about motherhood without friendship. people do it. There’s the nitty gritty of parenting and, and we should say Katie, I know you have six kids.

Katie: Yes.

Nina: And what are their, what’s the age?

Katie: Yeah. The oldest is 13 and the youngest is five

Nina: Oh, you’re really just right in the thick of it. And Ashley. Oh my gosh. Ashley, what about you?

Ashlee: Mine are 13, 11, and seven, so I’ve got half the amount of chaos as Katie. Still a good amount of chaos though.

Nina: Okay, so I have four kids, but the ages are 21, [00:03:00] 19, 16, and 13. So I end where you’re beginning, which is kind of cool. So if you think about it, there’s a lot of children between the three of us. Wow, that’s amazing. in our topic today, I mean, your book covers so many wonderful, beautiful aspects of motherhood and friendship and getting together and hosting, but we’re gonna talk about how to do it in a way that doesn’t, make everybody nuts, because I especially wanna focus first on, Ashley, something that you wrote about in the book.

You have an essay about group of friends that has been getting together for seven years, once a month to have dinner. and then also , when we get to Katie, the fact that Katie, you have six kids. I know you went through a divorce you still having this focus on making time for friends.

I hear all the excuses that there’s no time and it’s impossible and everyone cancels and, and all this stuff. I’m inspired by your story too, Katie, but we’re gonna start with Ashley ’cause she has like this very specific dinner club. And then we will get to the ideas.

I know you guys came with like at least five ideas of hangs for [00:04:00] friends, I want my listeners to understand who the two of you are

Ashlee: Yes. Yeah. I was so happy to be able to put this story into writing because obviously it’s a story I’ve been living for so long, and this one specific group of women that I have dinner with once a month has not only, I mean, shaped my life and my relationships with them. It’s also really shaped. How I view friendship in general and the gift of specificity.

And so I, I wrote this whole essay about this group of women. It’s called The Proof is in the show notes. The show notes is what we call our group text

Nina: Oh, I love that as a podcaster. I love that. It really speaks to me.

Ashlee: Yeah, every time we hang out we uh, when we all go home, we text each other links to every single thing we talked about. And so if you just look at our group text, it makes probably no sense to anyone else.

But it’s just an ongoing list of show notes essentially. But the story that I tell in the book and why this group of women, I think is so special is that once a month we go [00:05:00] out to dinner and before the check comes, we all pull out our calendars. And we plan the next one right there on the spot. We pick a date, we pick a time, we pick a location.

And I know this life hack sounds almost too good to be true. It is so ridiculously simple. But that practice alone has kept us having dinner together for seven years, and it’s been such a. Gift in my life. And so what I’ve really learned from that group of women and what I attempted to write through in this story is, you know, I have so many different groups of friends, or I’m on different group texts where people are constantly saying, we should hang out sometime.

Yeah, let’s hang out sometime. But it never actually culminates in a real plan. What I’ve learned through my dinner club friends is when somebody says, let’s hang out. Sometime I come right back with, I’m free next Wednesday at 6:30 PM How about you? You know, just to put like the detail [00:06:00] into it immediately helps the momentum actually

follow through.

Nina: it’s so important. I, I’ve done entire episodes about this. I’ve done substack posts on this that I literally, I called it how to schedule plans, and it’s really simple. You have to suggest dates and I, Sometimes get my undies in a bundle. When people say to me, and I can tell they want to do it, it’s, I don’t think they’re just saying it offhand, but like, oh, let’s, we should get together for a walk.

And I’m always the one who sends dates. It feels like, it’s like, no, send me dates. Like sometimes I wanna be the one who sifts through your dates and looks. The hard work is opening your calendar. The person who does that is doing the hard work. The person who just checks those three dates that you unearthed for them is doing the easy job.

I think so. I think it’s nice if. Uh, it’s never gonna be equal. ’cause I’m, I’m really big on that. Some people are just more organized and better at that every once in a while. It’s like you send the dates, don’t let everyone else send you dates. You send the

Ashlee: which I think is what’s so cool about my dinner club is that we all do it together at the same time. It’s not on one person. We [00:07:00] always know before the check comes, we’re all busting out our phones, we’re opening up our, our calendar apps. We’re doing it right there on the spot. And that does, you know, it helps with like resentment or bitterness if you know only one person is ever making the plan.

Nina: You’re sharing the burden and the reason it works is, um, I heard you talk about on your own show, because everyone actually comes every time. That’s actually essential. I mean, you can’t all be sitting there to make the date when the check comes, if. Two people cancel, even if it’s a different two people every time.

And it sounds like it’s a huge commitment to, well commitment in a good way. I don’t mean this, it sounds like that’s a bad thing to show up to actually come once a month and not make excuses.

Ashlee: yeah. We treat our friendship. Like a commitment because it is, we don’t treat it as something optional or something we can just, flake on at the last minute if something better comes along. And I think that is definitely part of the glue holding us together. It’s both the act of actually making the plan and then actually showing up.

It’s kind of a two step

process [00:08:00] there.

Nina: And then Katie, I’m not asking you to tell your whole life story here,

but in terms of how it affects the time you have to spend with friends, can you speak to that?

Katie: Yeah, well, with anybody with children, honestly, whether you have one or six or more, motherhood definitely cuts into social lives and friendship lives, and there’s a huge balance there. And so for me, what is like, you know, and we’re gonna talk more about some of these like simple ideas, but for me, I, I have really had to learn that the micro investments in friendship add up to something really, really special. So don’t underestimate the small things. As you mentioned, I went through a divorce and that was a really painful season of my life. And I think, gosh, had I not been blessed with people who, like Ashley, my best friend who had taught me the value of quick check-ins

sending each other things that I thought about you just knowing like I’m on her mind, she’s on mine. We’re checking in all [00:09:00] of that. we don’t live in the same state. So our friendship is sustained on the quick check-ins. without all those micro deposits though in a friendship like when life really did get hard and I needed some real macro investments from my friends in those seasons,

I wouldn’t have had that. It really was built these like just one little brick at a time, for the community around me. And, that has made it sustainable because yeah, with a busy life, you don’t always have time for a girls trip every two months.

Nina: That’s all right.

Katie: Can’t get away all the time, but you have five minutes.

Mostly, and sometimes you have an evening, but even if you don’t have an evening for a while, , you have a few minutes. and that’s important to see that though, as part of the whole process of, sustaining really healthy friendships.

Nina: Beautifully said. All right. Who wants to dive in first with your first idea for our listeners?

Katie: This is Ashley’s jam. We’re gonna let her start.

Nina: All right,

Ashlee: I don’t know about that, but I’m excited to talk about some low key hangs. You know, part of our, our heart and desire with this book that we wrote called You’re In Good [00:10:00] Company, is to really just redefine what friendship and hospitality can look like, especially in seasons where you are strapped for time, when you’re busy, when you don’t have all of the time and capacity in the world.

What are some low pressure ideas on how we can still spend time together and deepen our relationships with one another? So I’m excited to talk about that today. The first idea is what I call grownup show and tell. I did this somewhat recently with my same dinner club group.

one of the women in our group is a single mom and every other week she doesn’t have her kids at home with her. And so occasionally we will do dinner at her house. We’ll just order takeout and come over in pajamas and just have it be like a very lowkey night. A few months ago we did a show and tell Evening where we all brought a number of things that we just wanted to show each other. This could be something we bought at Costco that has totally changed our life. It could be a new skincare product, it could be the sports bra to [00:11:00] end all sports bras. I mean, these were some of the real things we brought. I brought my pack of velvet hangers that have totally transformed my closet and I’m obsessed with, really just little.

Little things that maybe have a big impact or things we just want each other to know about. It’s kind of like an influencer night, but none of us are influencers. We’re just normal people who like to share the things that we are very passionate about. And it was so fun. We went around in a circle pulling random miscellaneous objects out of paper bags and just talking about where we got it and why it was cool and what we loved about it. when I tell you the show notes that night were off the hook, we, it was so good.

Yeah.

Nina: That’s a great idea and I wanna let listeners know I did not let Ashley and Katie send me ahead of time what the ideas were gonna be. I was like, just come with five ideas. I don’t wanna know because I wanted to genuinely be able to hear them like the listeners are hearing them, which I think is fun.

So that’s such a fun idea and it really does [00:12:00] continue the conversation after the fact and it gives you something emotionally neutral to talk about. Not that you don’t wanna get deep with friends, of course you do, but the kind of keeping the theme of the low key hang. Sometimes it’s nice to just do something that’s fun and it doesn’t cost a lot. ’cause you already own this thing. You didn’t go out and buy it for the event. I mean, it’s, it’s not a gift. It’s something that you really have and use. And it’s also the take a village concept, a bit you don’t need to reinvent the wheel, you’ve discovered this way to improve your closet and so you want your friends to know about it.

I mean, I get that.

Ashlee: Girlfriends do not gate keep. That is the

number one rule in my friendship group. We don’t gate keep.

Nina: Yeah, I’m the same way.

Katie: love that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So this is something that I have done with my friends several times, and it has become a tradition, a favorite tradition. It’s just, uh, I’m gonna say call it soup night, but what makes it pretty fun. Is that everybody invite, 4, 5, 6, how you invite.

Actually there’s no limit. The, the bigger the table the better. or you could do lunch if it fit better for lunch. But [00:13:00] everyone brings a soup that they love in a crockpot. everyone brings a muffin tin

and you get to go through and get samples of all the soups that you like. At the end everybody votes on their favorite.

And what I have done for the past couple of years is gone to the dollar store and just bought like a plastic ladle and some gold spray paint, and the winner gets to take home the golden ladle.

and hang it in their kitchen until the next soup night and, and try to, you know, either retain their crown or be deth thrown by the other soup.

But really, I love things like this because everybody’s got to eat. and we bring plastic containers at the end for be, to bring leftovers home . again, yeah, what Ashley was saying is a simple way to share something you love, but just a more, a real, a fun way to

have dinner too,

Nina: that’s so great. Ashley used a word earlier, which I. Love this word is specificity. And both of these events have that. It’s not just, let’s get together, it’s let’s get together to do this thing, which is very specific it doesn’t, and [00:14:00] again, it doesn’t have to have the deeper, deeper, deeper meaning, but it does ’cause every time you get together with your friends, it’s always adding to the, full picture of that friendship.

But having that specific reason to get together that time is part of, was also what gets people to come. Not just, uh, think of it as something that’s unimportant. So when we say low key, we don’t mean that important. We just mean not a very beautifully catered dinner party. We just mean other ideas of ways to get together.

Katie: there’s nothing beautiful about a muffin tin. It’s just a muffin tint. It’s actually quite ugly and stained and old, but you just show up with your muffin tin. And a spoon, you’ve got the best dinner and the little party tray already set for you, so

Ashlee: I also love, I mean, my Enneagram three is showing, but I love a little healthy competition and I’m not a good cook, but I would be very inclined to make a very good soup because I want that golden ladle, you know? I do.

Nina: Yeah. You can’t have, you know, 10 of your friends sipping your soup and being like, Ew. Yeah. You gotta at least have it be

Ashlee: [00:15:00] Bring your A game.

Nina: All right. What’s our next one?

Ashlee: Okay, my next one, I totally stole this off the internet somewhere. I don’t remember where I originally saw it, but it was to do a TJ’s and PJ’s party, which is a party where you come in your pajamas and you bring your favorite items from

Trader Joe’s.

Nina: Oh, I was thinking TJ Maxx, but that would’ve been tj.

Ashlee: could be. That could work too.

Nina: Yeah. Yeah.

Ashlee: I’m actually hosting this for my book club. So everybody in my book club is coming in their pajamas. And we are bringing a Trader Joe’s themed potluck.

And when I tell you the last time I was at Trader Joe’s, I actually told the cashier that I was getting ready to host this party and they were.

Delighted, like I have never seen. I mean, they just thought it was the most clever idea ever to host a whole party. TJ’s and PJ’s, really, really excited because one of my favorite snacks to make is this three ingredient lentil dip, and all of the ingredients are from Trader Joe’s.

I don’t know if you guys have made this. It’s the lentils, the bruschetta, and the feta cheese. You mix all three together, serve it with bread or [00:16:00] tortilla chips. It’s delicious. So simple.

Nina: They should sponsor us, all of us. They

Ashlee: they really should.

Nina: of

us.

Ashlee: I am really excited to make that and also to maybe discover some new things from Trader Joe’s that I haven’t tried.

I mean, I kind of feel like I’ve tried the whole store at this point, but I’m sure my friends are gonna bring something I’ve never had before, so

Nina: That’s so fun. Again, specificity. That’s so fantastic. I assume you’re next.

Katie: Yes. So this one is a little non-traditional, but it’s gonna, I, you know, kind of harken back too. the question you asked me about having a busy life and what does it look like? And, and so a quick lead in story, a couple of years ago, my friend Kristen was, coming over and Kristen’s got older kids.

So hers were all in school, and at the time I still had kids home with me, before they were old enough to be in school we were gonna go put, you know, a couple of my kids in the stroller and just take a walk and catch up, which is a great way. I, I love that moving and chatting is a great way to hang out with friends, She came in the house and it was a little bit chilly. So I was, hustling, looking for warm socks and jackets and hats for the kids. as I’m [00:17:00] getting my kids ready to go on a walk, I must have apologized four times to Kristen. Like, I’m so sorry about all this laundry. Just overlook all the laundry.

Okay, let me see if the socks are in the laundry. she finally stopped me and she said, Katie, I have heard you Apologize for the laundry several times right now. Would it be helpful if we just skipped the walk and stayed here and

folded your laundry together?

Nina: I love this so

much.

Katie: at first I was embarrassed, Nina because I thought, oh, okay, I really wanna be the person that just has it together that doesn’t have four baskets of laundry in the hallway unfolded that have been there for well, 48 hours minimum.

Let’s just say that. And Kristen did not care. She did not care one bit at first I said, no, no, let’s go for a walk. And she said, I actually really think we should just stay here and fold your laundry. And we did for the next 45 minutes, two people folding laundry goes much faster than one.

And we had just as beautiful of a conversation. It was [00:18:00] so helpful. So fun to still get to be catching up with my friend I’ll never forget one, just like the acceptance of my life that she showed, and two, she left and I’m like, this is such a great way to serve and love somebody.

and it’s easy. And so now whenever I am in somebody’s home If we’re there visiting, if I’m there to have coffee or even maybe if we have plans to do something else, or especially like a new mom,

I just, what if we just stayed here and folded the laundry? What if we don’t even go to the park?

it’s a big gift. And also laughed a lot.

Nina: Yeah,

Katie: a great

time hanging out.

Nina: And you have that memory, right? ’cause you spend the time together, but you actually do something that’s gonna improve the rest of your day once your

friend leaves too. that had

to get done.

Thanks for sharing that example. That’s a great example. not everything needs to be a themed party or you know, a big event at all, but just even pivoting like that, that last minute pivot,

Ashlee: I love the vulnerability required in that. there was vulnerability on your end, Katie, to accept the help and to [00:19:00] say yes, that would be great, and we’re gonna sit on the floor and we’re gonna fold everyone’s clothes in my

family. I

mean, that’s a

vulnerable

thing. Underwear flying around everywhere.

I mean that’s, you know.

Katie: all of it. Yeah.

Nina: Oh my gosh. You know what you guys are gonna find when your kids are even older because now at least there’s somewhat different sizes and some, you know, I’m sure some of them, especially with six, there’s some units of size, but,

I have two boys and two girls, and everybody wears the same kind of socks now.

That’s the rule. They all like the tall Nike socks. Nike should sponsor us too. they all like the tall Nike. No one gets to deviate now though. It’s like that’s just what everyone’s wearing and then I just divvy ’em up out of the dryer. Like each basket gets some, and that’s how it is, right?

Ashlee: Yeah.

Nina: for teens.

Alright, let’s do our last one. Number five.

Ashlee: Okay, number five. This is one I recently hosted again with my book club and I think it’s really fun ’cause you could put a different spin on it and it could work for a lot of different occasions. But I’m calling this the Sweats and Sequins watch party, I hosted this the evening that the [00:20:00] Taylor Swift documentary came out on Disney Plus.

A lot of my girlfriends wanted to watch that and so I invited everyone over. Super simple. After dinner, I didn’t wanna have to feed everyone a full meal, but I made the popcorn, so my invitation was the dress code is sweats on the bottom sequence on the top. I’m gonna provide the popcorn. You bring your own candy, and it was such a mellow, fun night.

We had an absolute blast. It was fun to be like cozy, but also kind of glamorous at the same time. And if you’re into like the Oscars or the Grammys or you know, watching something like that with your friends, or just a fun movie premiere, this could be a fun night where there’s a little bit of a dress code, but the food’s

very simple.

Nina: That’s a great idea. Okay. Now something comes to mind when I hear all of these, how do you deal with, and not just you two, but I mean how, when, when people talk about it in your work, on your website and on the substack and on your show too, but also in your life when these are all wonderful ideas, but then you know that there [00:21:00] might be someone looking in saying like.

I wanted to be invited to that, or, they’re so exclusive. I did episodes on this in January

the whole concept of mean moms and all that, and I have a lot of feelings about it. Listeners who listened to those in January, know. I’m just letting you know this ’cause , I don’t assume you’ve heard the episode, I come from the point of view that, for example, if you like to do things with just three people, sometimes, like sometimes you don’t want everything to have 10 people.

Then you have to give that same grace to other people that you can’t constantly be like, oh, I was left out. I was left out. I was left out. But then you also get to go on a walk with just two people. you can’t have it both ways. You can’t have deep, intimate friendships where you do stuff just a couple of you.

And then also expect that you are in everybody’s, every event. Okay. But let’s say one of these dinners has, or events has five people, six people, you know. What about person? 7, 8, 9, 10. You know what this is what stops me sometimes and I know it stops other people from even planning anything. even though I said yes, everyone should accept it.

I know everyone doesn’t. I get, held up on that. I know my listeners do too. It’s like They’re scared to leave anyone out.

Katie: One thing that I [00:22:00] think is a value that Ashley and I share and I, and I, I really don’t wanna be like overly Legalistic, I guess is the word I’m looking for, or overly strict about this. but I really do think there’s, not everything that happens that’s fun needs to go on

social media.

Nina: yes, good point. Yes.

Katie: And I do think that that’s, uh, we talk often about how social media is really bad for teenagers. It is just as bad for our hearts too. I feel really grateful to have solid groups of friends in my life. And I’m still like, oh wait. some of my friends went to that. I didn’t go. And that’s okay.

That is life. That is, that is life. Maybe they were at school pickup and a conversation came up and they all wanted to go see that play. And it wasn’t that I got left out. They just like, I wasn’t there. I, there’s a million reasons, and I’ve done the same thing what I don’t want people to hear me say is don’t post the fun you have on social media.

Sometimes you’re just feeling really grateful and you loved your time so much, it’s like an overflow. Like, oh, I just am so excited to share this [00:23:00] memory. And I think sometimes sleep on it

and see, see, if that’s really

edifying to everybody in your life. I think more often than not, if we do just sleep on it, we are gonna actually preserve a lot of people’s feelings,

uh, because you’re right, Nina. I have a table that seats eight people and a counter that seats four more. That would be a lot of people over for soup night.

Nina: It wouldn’t be as fun. You

wouldn’t it be loud? I’m sorry. It would be like,

I’m, I’m older than you guys.

It would be loud.

It’s like hard to hear it. It is. And people often say, I’m glad you actually brought up your actual table and counter, because sometimes people argue with me on this and they’re like, Nope, I teach my kids, or I tell everybody, there’s always room at the table.

Well, actually there is not always room at the table. There’s not always room in the car. You planned a night for the kids and. There’s only so many seats in the car. Okay. Yes. Maybe we could take three cars. you’re gonna go to that concert with 15 kids it’s not, that’s not fun.

Katie: Mm-hmm. it’s not fun. I just think obviously there’s a lot we have to do in our own hearts, in our [00:24:00] own work about trying not to be insecure when we see people that we love having fun, and also we can protect the people we love , it sounds such a teenager, but like, let’s not be show offs about fun thing we’re doing

Nina: Absolutely. Yes. Right? It’s like both. I agree. You don’t need to have everybody at everything. And also don’t be a jerk about it though. Like it is not necessary.

Ashlee: Mm-hmm.

Yeah. I love all of this. I was just thinking, there’s a time and a place to invite as many people as can possibly fit in the environment. there is a time and a place to honor the intimacy that can only occur when a small group is together and that does get lost. When you have 25 people in your home you’re not fostering a super safe space for a lot of vulnerable conversations. And I know for me personally, I’m not saying there’s a strict number on this. It just feels really different when you’re hanging out with a group of four. Or a group of six compared to a group of 20.

The intimacy is different. The vulnerability is different, the [00:25:00] honesty is different. The ability to connect on a really deep level is different. And I think sometimes we might want one or the other, and I think both of them are good and we should have space and time for as much as we can fit into our life.

But I agree with you, Nina, that that does not always need to look a certain way. And it would be great if we could maybe even think about that ahead of time when we are planning something and we’re deciding who to invite is. what is our goal for this at the end of the night? Is it to deepen a few quality friendships?

Is it to just fling open the door and just get everybody in and make connections for strangers to meet one another? Those are both beautiful goals and they can both occur in really different circumstances.

Nina: No, that makes sense. think, kind of what we’re describing without using the words. There’s a difference between a community event. A friendship gathering I host once a year, a big event at my house in the fall for one of the Jewish [00:26:00] holidays, it is come one come all. It’s in my backyard.

It’s the Jewish holiday of Sukkot, it’s really outside. It’s almost like for the community. But I do include friends too. what’s interesting is I wouldn’t say a lot of my own friends come to that. It’s, I think because it’s so big and it’s ’cause it’s like more for the community.

It’s like my inner circles like not that interested. And it goes to show that sometimes we don’t wanna, you know, you think you wanna be included in everything. It’s like, well, maybe not. . But I, I do love having this thing once a year that’s for the community, but I can’t have all my things I host be like that.

Katie: Right.

Nina: It’s a tough topic. , It feels so negative. And instead of thinking about who isn’t part of things or when you’re not part of things I always urge people , you plan something, then you, you pick up the ball and plan something else.

I loved all these ideas. I like that we expanded the conversation a little bit to some of the sticky points of planning things, but back to the positive, these are wonderful ways to suggest people get together.

I know your book is full of all kinds of ideas. What else would people find in the book?

Ashlee: [00:27:00] Yes. Well, our book is a collection of essays and recipes, so if this topic is enticing to you, if you want more encouragement and really practical examples of what low key hospitality and deep friendship can look like. even in the midst of a really busy mother’s life. You are definitely gonna wanna pick up a copy of our book.

It’s called You’re In Good Company, it’s available wherever

books are sold.

Nina: It’d be a beautiful gift. With the photography. Oh, I’m so glad to talk to you thank you both for coming and I’m gonna tell you how I end every episode ’cause I know you’ll agree. Come back next week when our friendships are going well we are happier all around.

Listeners, you can find my Facebook group. Dear Nina, the group, when you go into the search part of Facebook, just type in Dear Nina, the group, and that is a great place where you can get your anonymous friendship questions answered, not just by me, but by other active members of the group who have been there, And maybe they can even answer from the other point of view, because it’s so many people coming together who care about friendship

[00:28:00] so that’s at Dear Nina, the group. And if we’re not connected on social media, that’s at Dear Nina. Friendship on Instagram and TikTok, even on YouTube . All right, have a great week.